Offhand alacrity/quick wield - why don't Warriors have it?

Seems to me that Warriors, as the masters of combat, should have a quick wield/offhand alacrity -type skill. I'm sure there's a good reason why they don't, but I don't see it. Especially with no healing.

Quick wield doesn't discriminate with type or weight, it's purely dexterous.
Perhaps there is a way to code the high-dex races to have a racial legacy for quick wield with warriors? Drow, halfling, elf, so on..

I wouldn't expect a big oaf to quick wield anything. A clumsy giant quickly wielding anything? That's laughable.

I'd say it's because Warriors get double grip.

It's because those skills were introduced to help rogues compete with warriors because rogues were getting face stomped.

off hand alacrity is to help rangers though.

After a certain hit dam combat style and weapon match up don't matter. Scarr destroyed my warlord duel wielding with weapons disadvantaged against a bow.

I have two strategies with dks:

1. get damroll to 30 and forget about it, everything else in defense
2. have like 80 damroll and negative hitroll

with 1 you bait them into aggro mobs and wait for them to fuck up
with 2 you either kill them on the first round of combat or you leave

I've basically never seen anyone else use this strategy since the 90s

Tayyah had a couple good dks but he kept dying because he was trying to fight people.

edit: posted this in the wrong thread, this was supposed to go in the protection poll :(

Or just gang bang. That works all the time.

Why bother about strategies. Just gank them. And don't bother overpowering berserk or warcry. It's useless.

overpower uses a skill at a higher level. It's the same as if you were however many levels higher and used the skill.

I won't take berserk and warcry out of the list of skills that can be overpowered because there are some situations where it is useful.

you don't get additional duration or hit/dam from overpowering them. Then what's the point of overpowering them?

if I gave you the answer what would be the fun in it?

How about you ask yourself under what strange corner case circumstances having a level bonus on a skill would be beneficial?

Trying to use skills on level 60 mobs?

yes I am going to overpower warcry so that it can be heard across the realms. Please...

Okay. So I know you are aware of all scenarios, as we have heard and seen, everyone else here is incapable of understanding your perspective, which is the only one that matters.

Because I like it when people are wrong when they act like arrogant sods, I'm going to throw out one good example of why I would overpower warcry;

Stunning warcry.

This shit isn't rocket science.

The reason why warriors dont have offhand alacrity is because we are treating rangers as an ambidextrous class (i believe this is rooted in dnd) and what that amounts to is having no hitroll penalty for your offhand. Also you may have noticed that warriors have other stuff rangers lack for the same reasons. Its done to distinguish classes. Without distinguishing them all classes would be the same and its really variety that makes a mud.

An overpowered warcry does not have the effect of stunning warry, stop misleading people.

it's tough to read some of the stuff you post flyndance

you should reread the message you're replying to repeatedly until you understand it. If you don't, you probably won't ever understand what overpower is for or how and why to use it

since you don't seem to know what it does, I can't respond to your criticisms meaningfully

since I'm an immortal, I don't think I should be posting things too specific about skills on the forum. It would be wrong for me to explain in detail the specifics of the skill, since it would deprive you and potentially other players of the experience of testing it and learning it. I can tell you for sure that there are players in this thread who know exactly what it does, when to use it, and what skills to use it on.

Overpower is a dumb skill but unfortunately you dont have the right forum user name for your suggestions to be taken seriously

fuck you ottif

in your dreams!

Comments like that are useless, and THAT is why nothing certain people post is taken seriously.

i think if useless comments were sneakers you would be footlocker. im sorry the truth with a little sarcasm sprinkled on top for good measure is useless to you tho. if people put their egos aside and try to do better the comment is actually very useful.

Nyc, i don't need you to spoonfeed me.
My comment was simply because Faelon said he would overpower warcry for the sake of a stunning warry. So I am telling him that it doesn't and he shouldn't be misleading others, so that they don't waste their time mastering warcry.
Yeah Nyc, maybe you are right that I don't know what overpower does. It doesn't change the fact that overpowering warcry does not do a stunning warcry.

Faelon said:

Okay. So I know you are aware of all scenarios, as we have heard and seen, everyone else here is incapable of understanding your perspective, which is the only one that matters.

Because I like it when people are wrong when they act like arrogant sods, I'm going to throw out one good example of why I would overpower warcry;

Stunning warcry.


Flyndance, this is impossible. I'm sure the Immortals would have corrected Faelon if he provided the wrong info (after calling people out as arrogant sods). Please log a bug, the immortals will fix it, do something to help the game. Thanks.

Don't giant warriors get a stunning warcry? Wouldn't that be worth overpowering?

Nope. Tested it myself, giant warriors do not get stunning warcry when overpowered. At least, there is no such feedback message when i overpowered the warcry in combat.

@merlandox, i am sorry... i didn't know it was a bug.

You're right, it's giant berserkers only.

For the record, a failure of immortals to correct something that's said doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Please do keep that in mind!

To be clear, it isn't misleading. I was wrong. I haven't played a warrior in a very long time. It's been even longer for giant warrior and I believed they had stunning warcry. In that, I am sorry I was wrong.

To continue the clarity, you are an arrogant sod. My being wrong in this instance, neither makes the skill useless nor does it clear you of acting arrogantly in the pithy fit you were throwing.

I do not think I am arrogant. I only state things that I know with at least 90% certainty. I am confident because I had spent time in finding out and tested extensively within the limits of a player before making sweeping statements. I went on to master warcry just to be sure before I posted that comment saying that you are wrong. I may not be an immortal nor am I one of the older players here, but it does not mean that I do not know what I am talking about.

At the very least, I do not assume that I am right simply because I think I am right without first finding out for myself if indeed I am right, then bashing the comments of another with my unsubstantiated assumption.

Just as in the case of overpower, I had used overpower so many times before, on dirt kicking, on hobble, sideswipe, you name it, and statistically, its success rate is inferior vs non-overpowered skills on the same mob in the same combat instance, which is why I am calling it useless.
Just because the initial intention of overpower is coded as such does not mean that it is truly working as intended. There are always the possibilities of bugs in how that skill interacts with other code. Who here has even mastered overpower before and tested it out extensively like I did?

Perhaps, I do agree that there is that hint of arrogance when I state things with such confidence. But what is even more irksome is when another refutes my claim without even first bothering to find out if what I said is right or not.

sounds like giant warriors should get stunning warcry, I'll make sure to mention it to dav next time we talk about removing the giant mental vuln

maybe stone only to incentivise stone giants since we seem to be really short on those, not sure

"its success rate is inferior vs non-overpowered skills on the same mob in the same combat instance"


I don't believe you

overpowered sideswipe needs a buff from what I just read. It's WAY better on hobble than it is on sideswipe

I'll take a look at overpower myself and buff any skills that look bad

will post the delta in the forum

Lets take a more methodical approach than that. We've always done things this way in the past and they've caused a lot of anger to go around, even though the changes were good and necessary. I think mostly its because it makes us seem like we're behaving reactionary instead of rationally. I've put something in the imm forums to discuss.

I don't make balance changes without deliberation. Leave it be and I will take care of it. The next you hear will contain numbers. A forum poll of a pile of retards who don't know what the skill does won't provide useful feedback. You should be focusing on druid bugfixes if you focus on anything. This is a sideshow.